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		<title>By: systemic - Æ’r3$h R4Ã14Â£ V3Â£0(1713$</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3216</link>
		<dc:creator>systemic - Æ’r3$h R4Ã14Â£ V3Â£0(1713$</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HD 17156: This data comes from a recent paper by the California-Carnegie team. There are radial velocities from both the Keck and the Subaru telescopes, and the signal-to-noise of the orbit is very high.  The data show a ~3 Jupiter-mass planet on a 21.2 day orbit. The orbit is remarkably eccentric for a planet on such a short period, leading to a 25-fold variation in the amount of light received during each trip around the star.  It&#8217;ll be interesting to get a weather forecast for this world, and it&#8217;s also important to point out that the orientation of the orbit is very well suited for the possibility of observing transits. Periastron is reasonably close to being aligned with the line of sight to Earth, leading to an a-priori transit probability of more than 10%. In the discovery paper, a preliminary transit search is reported, but only about 1/4th of the transit window was ruled out. With a Dec of +71 degrees and a nice situation in the winter sky, this is definitely one for Transitesearch.org&#8217;s Finland contingent. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] HD 17156: This data comes from a recent paper by the California-Carnegie team. There are radial velocities from both the Keck and the Subaru telescopes, and the signal-to-noise of the orbit is very high.  The data show a ~3 Jupiter-mass planet on a 21.2 day orbit. The orbit is remarkably eccentric for a planet on such a short period, leading to a 25-fold variation in the amount of light received during each trip around the star.  It&#8217;ll be interesting to get a weather forecast for this world, and it&#8217;s also important to point out that the orientation of the orbit is very well suited for the possibility of observing transits. Periastron is reasonably close to being aligned with the line of sight to Earth, leading to an a-priori transit probability of more than 10%. In the discovery paper, a preliminary transit search is reported, but only about 1/4th of the transit window was ruled out. With a Dec of +71 degrees and a nice situation in the winter sky, this is definitely one for Transitesearch.org&#8217;s Finland contingent. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eric F Diaz</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3195</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric F Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

The animations are outstanding, by the way. :-)

Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>The animations are outstanding, by the way. :-)</p>
<p>Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Eric F Diaz</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3194</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric F Diaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

â€œWhat makes them all so different?â€

Doesn&#039;t part of that answer, besides the very large range of rotation rates, masses, and the time-dependence and amount of received energy flux from the parent stars, also have to do with the internal temperature of a planet&#039;s core? 

Take the difference between Neptune and Uranus, for example. Neptune is presumed to have a significantly more active climate than Uranus, because it&#039;s core is generating a tremendous amount of heat. Whereas, Uranus&#039; core is thought to be cool and therefore cannot generate the convection necessary to create vortices like the great dark spot on Neptune. And, it should be noted that both planets are too far aware from the sun for solar energy flux to be of any significant consequence.

Best,
Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>â€œWhat makes them all so different?â€</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t part of that answer, besides the very large range of rotation rates, masses, and the time-dependence and amount of received energy flux from the parent stars, also have to do with the internal temperature of a planet&#8217;s core? </p>
<p>Take the difference between Neptune and Uranus, for example. Neptune is presumed to have a significantly more active climate than Uranus, because it&#8217;s core is generating a tremendous amount of heat. Whereas, Uranus&#8217; core is thought to be cool and therefore cannot generate the convection necessary to create vortices like the great dark spot on Neptune. And, it should be noted that both planets are too far aware from the sun for solar energy flux to be of any significant consequence.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Eric</p>
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		<title>By: TheoA</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3189</link>
		<dc:creator>TheoA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot to mention the Shockwave appears to be on HD 80606b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention the Shockwave appears to be on HD 80606b.</p>
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		<title>By: TheoA</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3188</link>
		<dc:creator>TheoA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also what is that shockwave type structure that goes racing across the planet from about the middle portion. If it is the peak heating would it not vary its starting position each time as the planet rotates.

What was the assumed rotation rate. Would this not create numerous circulation cells as on Jupiter or Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also what is that shockwave type structure that goes racing across the planet from about the middle portion. If it is the peak heating would it not vary its starting position each time as the planet rotates.</p>
<p>What was the assumed rotation rate. Would this not create numerous circulation cells as on Jupiter or Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3187</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bucky,

&quot;What makes them all so different?&quot;

That&#039;s a very good question. The short answer is that we&#039;re not completely sure. The planets represent a very large range of rotation rates, masses, and the time-dependence and amount of received energy flux from the parent stars. We are doing new simulations to test some hypotheses regarding exactly what is happening.

The fact that HD 80606b is so different from the others suggests that the heating rate (as opposed to the actual peak temperature achieved, or even the total trough-to-peak temperature difference) is a key factor. 

Updates will follow over the coming weeks, stay tuned!

best,
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bucky,</p>
<p>&#8220;What makes them all so different?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a very good question. The short answer is that we&#8217;re not completely sure. The planets represent a very large range of rotation rates, masses, and the time-dependence and amount of received energy flux from the parent stars. We are doing new simulations to test some hypotheses regarding exactly what is happening.</p>
<p>The fact that HD 80606b is so different from the others suggests that the heating rate (as opposed to the actual peak temperature achieved, or even the total trough-to-peak temperature difference) is a key factor. </p>
<p>Updates will follow over the coming weeks, stay tuned!</p>
<p>best,<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Bucky</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3186</link>
		<dc:creator>Bucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Extrasolar taffy pull!  These are really beautiful and hypnotic. My big question is, what makes them all so different?  The animation for HD 80606 b seems more sluggish, less turbulent, less &quot;defined&quot; than the rest.  Is that because the planet has a much longer and more eccentric orbit than the others, and so receives less heat overall?  Or . . . ?  Iâ€™ve been entertained and intrigued â€“ now Iâ€™m ready to be educated!

(And thanks for the fantastic images.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extrasolar taffy pull!  These are really beautiful and hypnotic. My big question is, what makes them all so different?  The animation for HD 80606 b seems more sluggish, less turbulent, less &#8220;defined&#8221; than the rest.  Is that because the planet has a much longer and more eccentric orbit than the others, and so receives less heat overall?  Or . . . ?  Iâ€™ve been entertained and intrigued â€“ now Iâ€™m ready to be educated!</p>
<p>(And thanks for the fantastic images.)</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3176</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Luis,

We&#039;re assuming zero obliquity for all these planets. Non-zero obliquities are certainly possible, and would have an effect on the weather.

The overall character of the animations would likely not change too much for these simulations, however. Obliquity has the largest qualitative effect when applied to synchronous planets, since it destroys the planet&#039;s ability to set up a steady-state flow pattern.

See our recent ApJ letter on this: (astro-ph/0702700).

best,
Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Luis,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re assuming zero obliquity for all these planets. Non-zero obliquities are certainly possible, and would have an effect on the weather.</p>
<p>The overall character of the animations would likely not change too much for these simulations, however. Obliquity has the largest qualitative effect when applied to synchronous planets, since it destroys the planet&#8217;s ability to set up a steady-state flow pattern.</p>
<p>See our recent ApJ letter on this: (astro-ph/0702700).</p>
<p>best,<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3147</link>
		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 07:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Greg,

these are really amazing images. Talk about rough weather ! One question: what assumption do you make on the obliquity of the planets ? This would have effects on the observed patterns, no ? Since
you are using these models to predict infrared light-curves for these planets (to be validated, or not, by Spitzer observations) I was wondering the same thing for these light curves: how do you handle the unknown obliquity of the planets ?

Cheers,

Luis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>these are really amazing images. Talk about rough weather ! One question: what assumption do you make on the obliquity of the planets ? This would have effects on the observed patterns, no ? Since<br />
you are using these models to predict infrared light-curves for these planets (to be validated, or not, by Spitzer observations) I was wondering the same thing for these light curves: how do you handle the unknown obliquity of the planets ?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Luis</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://oklo.org/2007/08/10/vorticity/comment-page-1/#comment-3140</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andy,

thanks! I&#039;ve fixed the link.

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p>
<p>thanks! I&#8217;ve fixed the link.</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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