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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eugenio writes:

&lt;strong&gt;1&lt;/strong&gt; What&#039;s important here is the difference in chi-square for each subset of the data between the value at i=90 deg and the minimum value. Also, it&#039;s important to address the significance of the dip (this is done by eye and from prior experience in the discussion below). [Note: Eugenio is using i=0 corresponds to the plane of the sky. In the post above, I would write this as I=90 -gL]

&lt;strong&gt;2&lt;/strong&gt;  These are three-planet fits.  Fourteen parameters are fit for each point on the plot, but the number of data points increases with time.

&lt;strong&gt;3&lt;/strong&gt;  There is a major false assumption that goes into creating this figure: Prior observed velocities do not change as new velocities are added. [In reality, the measurement precision of all of the radial velocities in a given data set improves as more velocities are obtained. This is a consequence of the reduction method (see Butler et al. 1995) that is used. -gL]

&lt;strong&gt;4&lt;/strong&gt; Assuming that these curves are what they would have actually looked like in the past (see point 1), then:

a) After 1999, all we could have said is i &gt;~40 and it was likely that i~40 and it was very likely that ii&gt;60.

d) After 2002, the dip is significant (the change is comparable to the change after 2004, which was rigorously shown to be significant -- it is also clearly deeper than the one after 2001); however, since the location of the minimum shifted, the (upper) constraint on i is weaker: 30&gt;i&gt;60.

e) After 2003, the dip is significant, with a minimum around 50, and 40&gt;i&gt;60.  If the curve had actually looked like it does in the figure, it might have been possible to announce the i=50 solution.  However, the actual curve after the 2003 season looked very different, and it would have been very unwise to make the announcement.

f) After 2004, (see Rivera et al 2005), i=50+-3 to 1 sigma and i=50+-10 to 3 sigma.

&lt;strong&gt;5&lt;/strong&gt; For all six curves, the minimum chisq value occurs for 40&gt;i&gt;60. This result is additional evidence that i is in this range (to 3 sigma).

-- Eugenio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eugenio writes:</p>
<p><strong>1</strong> What&#8217;s important here is the difference in chi-square for each subset of the data between the value at i=90 deg and the minimum value. Also, it&#8217;s important to address the significance of the dip (this is done by eye and from prior experience in the discussion below). [Note: Eugenio is using i=0 corresponds to the plane of the sky. In the post above, I would write this as I=90 -gL]</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>  These are three-planet fits.  Fourteen parameters are fit for each point on the plot, but the number of data points increases with time.</p>
<p><strong>3</strong>  There is a major false assumption that goes into creating this figure: Prior observed velocities do not change as new velocities are added. [In reality, the measurement precision of all of the radial velocities in a given data set improves as more velocities are obtained. This is a consequence of the reduction method (see Butler et al. 1995) that is used. -gL]</p>
<p><strong>4</strong> Assuming that these curves are what they would have actually looked like in the past (see point 1), then:</p>
<p>a) After 1999, all we could have said is i &gt;~40 and it was likely that i~40 and it was very likely that ii&gt;60.</p>
<p>d) After 2002, the dip is significant (the change is comparable to the change after 2004, which was rigorously shown to be significant &#8212; it is also clearly deeper than the one after 2001); however, since the location of the minimum shifted, the (upper) constraint on i is weaker: 30&gt;i&gt;60.</p>
<p>e) After 2003, the dip is significant, with a minimum around 50, and 40&gt;i&gt;60.  If the curve had actually looked like it does in the figure, it might have been possible to announce the i=50 solution.  However, the actual curve after the 2003 season looked very different, and it would have been very unwise to make the announcement.</p>
<p>f) After 2004, (see Rivera et al 2005), i=50+-3 to 1 sigma and i=50+-10 to 3 sigma.</p>
<p><strong>5</strong> For all six curves, the minimum chisq value occurs for 40&gt;i&gt;60. This result is additional evidence that i is in this range (to 3 sigma).</p>
<p>&#8211; Eugenio</p>
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